I feel like 4chan culture has infested way more of the internet in the current fascist era. The biggest culprit in this shift is Xitter and people’s absolute refusal to cut themselves off from the Nazi pedo platform. More normies get caught up in the bullshit, and a broader array of people have a toxic niche built specifically for them.
As people feel more scared and threatened, they ironically gravitate towards the more toxic and unpleasant spaces. They struggle to believe good people exist, which gives them free reign to be mean and sadistic. By basking in the filth, they think they’ll toughen up and be better able to face our harsh reality. For them, cruelty feels more honest than “hug boxing” “safe spaces.” It makes them feel superior. Of course, all they’re doing is following the path laid out for them by Elon Musk, Steve Bannon, and various other Epstein class ghouls.
Minoritized groups internalize the bigotry and perpetuate the very garbage ideology designed to control them. Women, alienated by capitalism like everyone else, are increasingly lonely and isolated from productive socal relations. The misogyny that underpins all fascism makes them increasingly combative and bitter towards men, and that very fascism encourages them to stop seeing men as people. They posit that those moids only have value as far as they can serve, only being tools to their own happiness rather than partners or friends. These women always reinforce the very patriarchal bullshit they suffer under; every time without fail.
So with all that said, fuck that type of femcel; they have no place here. This comm is usually about self-depreciation, but it is not a place to stew in infinite pits of hate or redirect those feelings outwards. Beyond being bad for you, it’s cringe and serves oligarchy.
It’s very disturbing how much 4chan culture is leaking out of that vile site as of late.
As for femcels, I try to be a good one. I’m a femcel because I’m an autistic trans girl, who lives in a very rural area.
Regardless, finding a partner is up to me; I just need to meet more people and make more friends.
Someday, I’ll improve my mental health, move to a city, make friends, and find love. For now, I’ll hang out with my 'puter friends. <3
Youre speaking my mind, agree with this 100%
I don’t remember the exact quote and I can’t find it, but I recall someone describing a similar problem on 4chan itself. There’s a thing that happens, in communities that emphasize edgy humor, to newcomers who don’t get the jokes and confuse them for genuine beliefs. Those who find them repulsive leave and don’t return, while those who find them tolerable (as genuine beliefs) stick around and have those beliefs normalized and reinforced. Over time, the sincere believers come to outnumber the jokers, and what was once a lighthearted satirical community becomes a cesspool of bona fide extremism.
I don’t know if it’s a fair analogy; as far as I can remember 4chan was always a cesspool of violence with a flimsy veneer of “it’s just a joke bro”. But I think it would be unwise to assume something like that couldn’t happen in a femcel community.
Stephen Miller is the IRL embodiment of this early 2000s super edgy “humour” forming the basis of an actual political platform. It’s so exhausting because any attempt at engaging with them leads to “I’m just trolling bro.”
https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/if-youre-listening/stephen-miller-edgelord-in-chief/106305424
This is a big part of how Reddit got radicalized
Happens a lot. I remember when I could scroll through twitter and not see any nazis.
It’s something I think about a lot with the Fediverse: how to keep the nazis at bay. I think with Reddit, Twitter et al one of the main factors is that nazis also tend to spend money to show their allegiance, which is why you see things like Trump selling fake $1000 bills with his face on it. It’s very profitable to give nazis a space to be awful because they will spend money they don’t have to feel like they’re really part of the club.
I think it comes down to the same rules as running a bar. If nazis come in, you gotta kick them out right away, otherwise before you know it your bar is a nazi bar. I think that’s why “edgy” humor comms are particularly vulnerable, because they’re a good place for nazis to gradually push the envelope in the name of “humor” and once they get a beachhead, they’re hard to stop without decisive action.
If you don’t mind? Does anyone else find it at all peculiar that this new non-political usage of chud, which would be exactly the kind of thing the chuds would try to create, seems to come directly from the chuddiest site online, and sloshes over so frequently into our fine femcel fora? At this rate everyone will be a chud by the end of the year!
There’s a whole body of linguistic work about how “incel culture” rapidly infiltrates and influences discourse and how it’s very unique in the way and speed it happens. A rabbit hole I feel into a few months ago, I didn’t really come to any conclusions that were meaningful but it was interesting and I feel like I have a better understanding of how I want to speak and represent myself now, so that’s something
Do you have any reading recommendations?
I’m not fussed about that word in particular. It’s been slang for “basement dweller” since the movie C.H.U.D. came out in the 80s, and I feel like each generation attaches new meanings to it.
IME, it’s one of those slang words that has found purchase more in online conversation than offline, which I think makes it a signifier of being “internet fluent” among people who find pride themselves on being knowledgeable about the internet. Combine that with it’s origin as a description of underground creatures despised by the broader society, and I think it makes sense that it would resonate with internet communities that self describe as losers e.g. 4chan, incels, femcels.
What is it even supposed to mean in this context, anyway? Never seen or heard it used in any way other than the political one.
Here it’s basically being used in a context of like “Chud vs Chad” where the poster is falling herself a Chud as a shorthand to say she’s an unpleasant loser.
Oof. That’s pretty awful. Best send the nerd boys to me so I can protect them :3
On a more serious note: yikes, that’s awful. We’re supposed to be better than incels, not their mirror.
Happy to know there’s still hope.
For sure. It really bothers me when women talk about abusing men like that. It’s just as bad when a woman does as it is when a man does. It’s so toxic.
